(Cross posted at God is for Suckers!)It's becoming increasingly likely that Mike Huckabee is going to be the Republican nominee. The Evangelicals will take one of their own if they can have one, they can have Huckabee, so they aren't settling for a Mormon (Romney) or a vaguely secular type (Giuliani) or someone who only recently made friends with Jerry Falwell (McCain).
Today, Andrew Sullivan approvingly linked to a Mark Kleinman post declaring that one of the things Huckabee has going for him is that "he's not a hater or a lunatic or a fool."
I beg to differ.
Back when it looked like Romney might get the nomination, smart atheists like Brian Flemming were salivating over it as a chance to provoke more discussion about religious belief in this country.* Is Huckabee really all that much worse of a target, though? Sure, the lack of foreignness means its harder to get the ball rolling. But there's a guarantee that the conversation won't get bogged down on the mere foreignness of his beliefs, and we can get on to what really makes them crazy.
First, of course, is the evolution issue. The attack here is straightforward. If official Democratic party types want to put together something that will appeal to a mass audience, I'd suggest they start off with a good fossil line up, maybe a quick mention of DNA analysis, and then ask: If Huckabee can ignore such a well-established scientific fact, what other elements of reality will he succeed in ignoring? Do we want to be giving someone like that control of the most powerful military on Earth, including, let's not forget, a good-sized nuclear arsenal? Have we forgotten what happened the last time a president was willing to ignored reality [cue photo of newspaper with headline announcing no WMDs have been found in Iraq]? The task is made even easier by the fact that Huckabee is officially agnostic on whether the Earth is a year over 6,000, so throw in something like DefCon's Top 10 Reasons the Earth is not 6,000 years old. The dirty little secret of modern Creationists is that while they may find a lot of people who will tell poll takers they don't believe in evolution, once the public controversy gets serious they don't do so well. Dover voters eventually booted the creationists off their school board. Plenty of conservative pundits have quietly aligned themselves on a quasi-secular stance, and aren't going to be too serious about defending him. Heck, while the number of creationists among the current crop of GOP presidential candidates is depressing, they're still in a minority even among their own kind.
While the evolution angle would be an effective line of attack, it's nothing compared to the mileage that could be gotten out of the whole eternal damnation issue. An ideal set up would require some good dirt-digging ability, but here's a sample way of posing the question:
Rev. Huckabee, in 1998 the editor declared the fact that some Christians believe that non-Christians may go to heaven is a significant problem, and in fact an entire issue of the journal was dedicated to advocating this view. Do you agree or disagree?If Huckabee, in responding, lets slip that he believes all non-Christians are going to Hell, hand it to the Anti-Defamation League and the Council on American-Islamic Relations and let them run with it. Talk about again and again until they do. Underline it with stupid-but-necessary questions, like, "If only Christians are going to Heaven, does this mean that no religious Jews are going to heaven?" After that, Huckabee's gone. Even more so than with Creationism, the Evangelical doctrine of the Damnation of Everyone Who Disagrees With Us is something that may be widely preached when non-believers aren't listening, but which Evangelicals recognize on some level as being completely indefensible. Heck, these days you can't even get away with saying Jews would be somewhat better off as Christians (and I personally don't think the shitstorm over Ann Coulter saying that made any sense). Baiting Huckabee on this issue makes the evolution thing look like an insanely risky gambit by comparison.
Sadly, this is all just a fantasy, as it's very unlikely any Democrat will work up the backbone to do that. Unless... does anyone know if there are any chances left for average people to pose questions to candidates for the debates?
*and I'm not sure who Kleinman's alleged hypocrites, mentioned at the bottom of his post, are.
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There's an NPR debate coming up, I think, where they will use some questions posed by listeners who email them. I find it unlikely that they'd choose such a question, but you never know...
I think this line of thinking does little against Huckabee. He is completely honest when asked about how he feels on such issues, and he also understands others hold different views and openly states things such as: "that is the beauty of a democracy", "we dont have do agree on everything", "we can push our differences aside to agree on the things that matter most to america". He isn't one of those nutcases who takes it too far, which is the type of person you would need for your purposed strategy to work (someone who can be baited). With Huckabee, I think all your going to get is a very slick answer that leaves the listeners thinking the questioner was the nutcase and Huckabee was the grown up who doesnt take the issue very seriously.
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Lucas
You sure seem to put a lot of faith in a bunch of old rocks...
Good post
Huckabee will be President. He truly fits the mold, in so many ways. I don't see the majority of Americans voting for the Mayor of New York City, or a northeastern Governor (or a democrat, either).
Oh, and I don't care if Christians think I'm going to heaven or not. I'm a Jew, and as such, don't ponder much beyond a solid faith in one true God. It's supposed to be about the here and now with us. Only secular liberal Jews are so sensitive.
Besides, it's American Christians who are the Jews' best friends these days. So give me an Evangelical Christian for president any day, over a moral relativist.
>Only secular liberal Jews...
You are aware that secular liberal Jews (and semi-religious liberal Jews) are in pretty good supply?
Hallq-
Sure, but republicans can win without them.
However, more may vote republican simply for their stance on islamofascism.
It is absolutely fascinating that all the damning and hating are not the problem, as long as the target is okay with the writer to Damn. No one has or would dare suggest or dream of asking Hillary, Barack, John, (either party) etc the exact same question(s). How many Dems have said they dont't believe in God or what the bible says?? Have any been asked? I would swear I remember Bill C going to Billy Graham and Rev Jesse Jackson for guidance (forgiveness??) so we could all know his sorrow for having violated his legal and marital contract. No need for that if you don't believe in God, his word, and commitments made in his name (i.e. marriage vows.)Everyone professes their faith when asked (feel free to list all candidates in American History who renounce the bible and god. Huckabee has said "I don't think religion is relavant..I would rather see a sincere atheist in congress than an insincere christian." I have yet to see such tolerance from the other point of view. While it doesn't matter to me who or what you support (except that we all have an obligation to speak our mind), it is interesting that by far the majority and most closed minded and condeming language about religion comes from the side that hates the other for supposedly being so. I have not heard one comment from the 10-12 self-described christians about persecuting atheists, muslims, or jews (as in "they shouldn't hold office".."it shows bad judgement"... Some historians even believe that persecution on religious grounds is just as unconstitutional as persecution based on race or sex.
....perhaps we can lobby to add the childish fantasy of the Dec of Ind and constitution to the bible, then we can hate all tolerant people. (yes I know the various religions have done plenty of that too...but I'm talking about now, and what people claim to wish for the future...which is where we will all definitely be..
thinkin--
You're not the clearest writer in the world--but don't worry, neither was Kant! Anyway, if I read you right, you're a fool. Why don't you be more tolerant of my views? There's also a great irony, in that you talk about liberals (I think) "damning" people, but while you only mean this in the figurative sense, I was raising the question of whether Huckabee thinks everyone who disagrees with his religious views should rot in Hell for eternity. Even though I feel the tug of poetic justice on my heart, I don't really think Huckabee deserves the same. I just doubt he should be president, the way I doubt that we should be electing racists to the presidency.
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